HGV's and O Licenses

I just got our insurances out for the boy to upload or superimpose it to the site later or what ever its called!

Looking around the directory there are people claiming to be running 7.5 tonners artics and such like that are obviously running from residential addresses how does this work? I can only gather that some parts of the country running from you dont need an o license! There was one empty courier posted with artics running from a home address. The site should make insurances compulsory but also you should only be able to advertise HGVs if you have posted up o license details. This is very serious issue I stopped running trucks 10 years ago but its not fair on those on the site that have had to invest there time and money in the red tape!

I agree.

I would think because this site is half trade and half public access there is a slight bit of marketing going on! I know of one company that has motorcycles to artics available when in fact they have 1 van and a subbie list but this is pretty normal, BS baffles brains!! to run artics you just post the work on HX as you would any other job,

I do see your point Mr Springer its fine to be a courier company sitting on a park bench with a laptop but to indicate you may be o license operator is a complete lie and misleading if your not

Hence the reason H&R should be shown for ALL vehicles offered, then you'd know whose vehicle it really was!

MK Bikes said:

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Hence the reason H&R should be shown for ALL vehicles offered, then you'd know whose vehicle it really was!

Tony if / when you get round to uploading your Ins there are other tabs, which may suggest that this could happen in the future.

But Mr Barnsley has pointed out a serious issue regarding Operators Lisence which is completely different to H+R yes you need a standard license if running H+R, but correct me if Im wrong but isnt the operators license a different issue to Insurance and run by VOSA, but can see Bobs point of view though, Unless the persons are BBFF.

Barnsley Shipping said:

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I just got our insurances out for the boy to upload or superimpose it to the site later or what ever its called!

Looking around the directory there are people claiming to be running 7.5 tonners artics and such like that are obviously running from residential addresses how does this work? I can only gather that some parts of the country running from you dont need an o license! There was one empty courier posted with artics running from a home address. The site should make insurances compulsory but also you should only be able to advertise HGVs if you have posted up o license details. This is very serious issue I stopped running trucks 10 years ago but its not fair on those on the site that have had to invest there time and money in the red tape!

I can see your point that people should upload all the documentation which is pertinent to their operational requirements. ie: H&R and GIT for small-medium van couriers and O license etc for the larger vehicle operator. However, you seem to be inferring that those O/D's with such larger vehicles who are registered with on here with only a residential address "probably" don't have the proper documentation.

However, if I had an artic or a 7.5 tonner then I wouldn't park it on my drive (I couldn't) and I wouldn't leave it on the street outside my house either. I do what I imagine that most owner drivers of such vehicles do and leave it in a secure yard. If I were in such a position my business would still effectively be run and registered from my home address.

Further to this, whilst we did initially upload our documentation we first joined Mtvan, we no longer do so as we rarely ever quote for work on Mtvan. However, if we decided to quote on an available job and the client required this information, I have it on my phone and can email it to them within seconds. So to suggest that it should be a requirement of membership to the site is unworkable. Even more so when you consider that there are many people registered on here who are not yet couriers but who are investigating whether it is a viable option for them and as such do not currently have such documentation.

I do also know of a few drivers who have just doctored an old insurance document on their computers to make it look up to date. So in reality, except for being able to show that you have followed due diligence in the event that the courier you hired manages to screw up so badly that you get dragged to court, scannned/uploaded/copied documents (in fact even a hard copy document) is no real guarantee. Unless of course you are actually going to call up the insurance company and verify that the policy to which it refers is current and active.

Scott.

Apologies for some of the spelling and grammar. I'm having a Friday off. :-)

Yes Peter have you tried to apply for O license at your registered business address lately. Part of the requirement is the need to have a suitable yard in a suitable area away from residents and should you make the application neighboring residents and everybody else are invited to make an objection if they feel they must. It is in fact a planning application. The people that live on a housing estate do not run an o license

Please re-read my reply.

Gas Motorcycle Couriers said:

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MK Bikes said:

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Hence the reason H&R should be shown for ALL vehicles offered, then you'd know whose vehicle it really was!

Tony if / when you get round to uploading your Ins there are other tabs, which may suggest that this could happen in the future.

But Mr Barnsley has pointed out a serious issue regarding Operators Lisence which is completely different to H+R yes you need a standard license if running H+R, but correct me if Im wrong but isnt the operators license a different issue to Insurance and run by VOSA, but can see Bobs point of view though, Unless the persons are BBFF.

I fully understood the gist of it, if people offering 7.5 tonners had to show ins doc's it would be very apparent from the documents who was running them not just offering them!