Adios mtvan alerts.. Send me a proper job

As mentioned in another thread, alerts are being hijacked with 2 and 3 mile car jobs. As they say in the Den

"Im out"

This wont affect my regular Sent messages but will clear up my inbox considerably! And of course anyone who requires my service knows my number anyway

Maybe there should be a filter, box to tick so we don't receive jobs under a certain mileage. No jobs less than 15 miles?

I have turned off alerts this morning

I won't say " I told you so"

You told us so...

Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

Collection Postcode: B2 4JD Delivery Postcode: WV14 8NW Distance: 15 miles

We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently. Just so we can get this right, at what point does a job start to be considered as a 'proper' courier job?

DJ Specialist Couriers said:

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Maybe there should be a filter, box to tick so we don't receive jobs under a certain mileage. No jobs less than 15 miles?

A nice idea. For now, there's already a filter on the alerts settings for 'Sameday Retail'. You should disable this to stop alerts for this kind of job.

www.mtvan.com/account/alert_settings/

Courier Expert said:

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We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently.

We have already added a classification for 'Sameday Retail' that you should use for this kind of retail job.

Courier Expert said:

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Just so we can get this right, at what point does a job start to be considered as a 'proper' courier job?

I suspect it's when a job meets the minimum charge of a courier (£20?) and also pays a reasonable rate per mile.

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Courier Expert said:

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We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently.

We have already added a classification for 'Sameday Retail' that you should use for this kind of retail job.

Can you send the code for this? thanks.

Surely the minimum charge for ANY job for ANY size vehicle should be £20 even for a one mile job, you can get joe public on Shiply or Anyvan to pay £30 to £40 to deliver 2-3 miles so why insult Sameday couriers posting these minimal distance jobs, perhaps mtvan should set a minimum payment say of £20 before a job can be posted on the site.

Quality not quantity... Seems the decision has already been made

I think mtvan has put in the option to exclude 'retail sameday' job alerts, for those who do not wish to quote on that type of work.

We should be posting all our retail jobs under this classification, as soon as we have figured out the coding.

LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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Surely the minimum charge for ANY job for ANY size vehicle should be £20 even for a one mile job, you can get joe public on Shiply or Anyvan to pay £30 to £40 to deliver 2-3 miles so why insult Sameday couriers posting these minimal distance jobs, perhaps mtvan should set a minimum payment say of £20 before a job can be posted on the site.

If your minimum price is £20, then please quote £20. Others charge £10 minimum, but if £20 is the only quote we receive for a particular job, then it will be considered :)

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LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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Surely the minimum charge for ANY job for ANY size vehicle should be £20 even for a one mile job, you can get joe public on Shiply or Anyvan to pay £30 to £40 to deliver 2-3 miles so why insult Sameday couriers posting these minimal distance jobs, perhaps mtvan should set a minimum payment say of £20 before a job can be posted on the site.

If your minimum price is £20, then please quote £20. Others charge £10 minimum, but if £20 is the only quote we receive for a particular job, then it will be considered :)

I can't comprehend how it is viable for ANYONE to set a minimum charge of £10
These type of 'tat' jobs have no place on a 'courier'site, and should be posted on Shiply or the like, IMO

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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Courier Expert said:

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LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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Surely the minimum charge for ANY job for ANY size vehicle should be £20 even for a one mile job, you can get joe public on Shiply or Anyvan to pay £30 to £40 to deliver 2-3 miles so why insult Sameday couriers posting these minimal distance jobs, perhaps mtvan should set a minimum payment say of £20 before a job can be posted on the site.

If your minimum price is £20, then please quote £20. Others charge £10 minimum, but if £20 is the only quote we receive for a particular job, then it will be considered :)

I can't comprehend how it is viable for ANYONE to set a minimum charge of £10
These type of 'tat' jobs have no place on a 'courier'site, and should be posted on Shiply or the like, IMO

As I understand, Shiply is for jobs that have flexibility for delivery over a few days. The 'Retail Sameday' jobs are, as their name suggests, for delivery the same day and sometimes within 90 minutes of booking. I cannot see how a website like Shiply or similar, would cater adequately for this type of work?

I think for many, the idea of doing a 1 mile job for a tenner (or less), or even a 20 mile for more money, is a useful 'filler' while waiting around for larger jobs to come in.

Those who do not wish to bid on this type of work, can simply exclude them from their alerts, leaving those who do want the work to carry on, without it bothering anyone else :)

Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

Collection Postcode: B2 4JD Delivery Postcode: WV14 8NW Distance: 15 miles

We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently. Just so we can get this right, at what point does a job start to be considered as a 'proper' courier job?

When the people who post such jobs do so in the knowledge that an acceptable quote is around the £25-£30 mark for a small van and not £4-5.

Scott.

Lets simplify things, if they are not peoples scene, then just ignore then, why do people get all twitchy about these thing, move on guys.

Peter Riley said:

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Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

Collection Postcode: B2 4JD Delivery Postcode: WV14 8NW Distance: 15 miles

We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently. Just so we can get this right, at what point does a job start to be considered as a 'proper' courier job?

When the people who post such jobs do so in the knowledge that an acceptable quote is around the £25-£30 mark for a small van and not £4-5.

Scott.

You decide how much you want to quote, not us :)

All we ask is that you out forward your best quote, if it is the most competitive one we receive, then you get the job.

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Lets simplify things, if they are not peoples scene, then just ignore then, why do people get all twitchy about these thing, move on guys.

Great point. If you don't fancy doing the work, then leave it for those who do.

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Lets simplify things, if they are not peoples scene, then just ignore then, why do people get all twitchy about these thing, move on guys.

Hi AJM. The reason I get twitchy about these kinds of jobs is that no one who is paying for proper courier/H&R and GIT insurances can possibly afford to run at these kind of rates.

So one can only assume that it opens the floodgates to fly by night courier market.

Scott.

Courier Expert said:

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AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Lets simplify things, if they are not peoples scene, then just ignore then, why do people get all twitchy about these thing, move on guys.

Great point. If you don't fancy doing the work, then leave it for those who do.

I am happy to leave it. I do however believe that for new couriers joining the website it is imperative to them that they understand that this kind of work is extremely underpaid!

Scott.

Well put Peter

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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Well put Peter

Or Scott?

:)

I can't see why CE doesn't use minicabs, the costs are approx what the jobs are paying, Call me a cab!

No don't actually

Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

**Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

** Better not use these guys then link text

Mr G Courier service- I take it personally said:

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Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

**Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

** Better not use these guys then link text

You've got a quote out of hours that adds it up with ecourier

MK Bikes said:

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Mr G Courier service- I take it personally said:

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Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

**Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

** Better not use these guys then link text

You've got a quote out of hours that adds it up with ecourier

I think when new potential customers moan about the price quoted I think I will point them to ecourier... and watch their Jaw drop!

Courier Expert said:

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LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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Surely the minimum charge for ANY job for ANY size vehicle should be £20 even for a one mile job, you can get joe public on Shiply or Anyvan to pay £30 to £40 to deliver 2-3 miles so why insult Sameday couriers posting these minimal distance jobs, perhaps mtvan should set a minimum payment say of £20 before a job can be posted on the site.

If your minimum price is £20, then please quote £20. Others charge £10 minimum, but if £20 is the only quote we receive for a particular job, then it will be considered :)

Sorry I don't do Sameday anymore but when I did my minimum charge was £50and it was always accepted.

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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Courier Expert said:

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LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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Surely the minimum charge for ANY job for ANY size vehicle should be £20 even for a one mile job, you can get joe public on Shiply or Anyvan to pay £30 to £40 to deliver 2-3 miles so why insult Sameday couriers posting these minimal distance jobs, perhaps mtvan should set a minimum payment say of £20 before a job can be posted on the site.

If your minimum price is £20, then please quote £20. Others charge £10 minimum, but if £20 is the only quote we receive for a particular job, then it will be considered :)

I can't comprehend how it is viable for ANYONE to set a minimum charge of £10
These type of 'tat' jobs have no place on a 'courier'site, and should be posted on Shiply or the like, IMO

Alan, I could put 50 to 100 jobs a week on here paying well more than what the expert pays (£50 jobs) but as you said such work has no place on a courier site :-)

LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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Courier Expert said:

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LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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Surely the minimum charge for ANY job for ANY size vehicle should be £20 even for a one mile job, you can get joe public on Shiply or Anyvan to pay £30 to £40 to deliver 2-3 miles so why insult Sameday couriers posting these minimal distance jobs, perhaps mtvan should set a minimum payment say of £20 before a job can be posted on the site.

If your minimum price is £20, then please quote £20. Others charge £10 minimum, but if £20 is the only quote we receive for a particular job, then it will be considered :)

I can't comprehend how it is viable for ANYONE to set a minimum charge of £10
These type of 'tat' jobs have no place on a 'courier'site, and should be posted on Shiply or the like, IMO

Alan, I could put 50 to 100 jobs a week on here paying well more than what the expert pays (£50 jobs) but as you said such work has no place on a courier site :-)

They do if they are paying properly. I think what Alan meant is that, at the rate which CE wants to pay, these jobs have no place on here.

Scott.

Alan, I could put 50 to 100 jobs a week on here paying well more than what the expert pays (£50 jobs) but as you said such work has no place on a courier site :-)

Dont put em on ere Les give em to me ;-)

Since i deleted my text alerts for low mileage car jobs.. My phone has been unusually quiet! Does this mean that the only jobs in the market this month are for shuttle runs?

In danger of going the way of the others, full of rubbish. Always seems to happen doesn't it. It may be down to not being able to see the wood for the trees, i.e. can't see the courier jobs for all the non courier jobs cluttering the site.

Someone will realise that its quality rather than quantity that's important, and what couriers are looking for. Plenty of other sites for all the other stuff that is now appearing here too.

But what do i know, i'm just part of the loud minority

Courier Expert said:

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Peter Riley said:

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Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

Collection Postcode: B2 4JD Delivery Postcode: WV14 8NW Distance: 15 miles

We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently. Just so we can get this right, at what point does a job start to be considered as a 'proper' courier job?

When the people who post such jobs do so in the knowledge that an acceptable quote is around the £25-£30 mark for a small van and not £4-5.

Scott.

You decide how much you want to quote, not us :)

All we ask is that you out forward your best quote, if it is the most competitive one we receive, then you get the job.

So your after the cheapest quote, not necessarily the best person for the job?

M & P Express said:

So your after the cheapest quote, not necessarily the best person for the job?

We wouldn't use anyone unreliable, anyone with a poor reputation or who isn't capable of doing the job.

Call me thick if you like but unless you give someone a chance, how will you know that they are unreliable, has a poor reputation or isn't capable of doing the job, (got it, you are psychic)

Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

Collection Postcode: B2 4JD Delivery Postcode: WV14 8NW Distance: 15 miles

We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently. Just so we can get this right, at what point does a job start to be considered as a 'proper' courier job?

What's wrong with these short distance jobs. All you need to do is apply your minimum charge and that's it covered. Decent rate, minimal mileage and minimal time.

Nottingham & Derby Couriers said:

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Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

Collection Postcode: B2 4JD Delivery Postcode: WV14 8NW Distance: 15 miles

We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently. Just so we can get this right, at what point does a job start to be considered as a 'proper' courier job?

What's wrong with these short distance jobs. All you need to do is apply your minimum charge and that's it covered. Decent rate, minimal mileage and minimal time.

Somehow I do not think he wants to pay £40 plus for a 20 mile job! That's the whole point

Been called back to work so Thursday I will be going back from Elgin to Colchester but in the car this time. It's a 5 series BM so will have plenty of room to chuck a few deliveries for en route on the back seat, floor and passenger foot well but think the boot will be full of my gear. Don't think it's covered by my van insurance H&R but no-one will know will they?

Courier Expert said:

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M & P Express said:

So your after the cheapest quote, not necessarily the best person for the job?

We wouldn't use anyone unreliable, anyone with a poor reputation or who isn't capable of doing the job.

Oh the irony

MK Bikes said:

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Courier Expert said:

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M & P Express said:

So your after the cheapest quote, not necessarily the best person for the job?

We wouldn't use anyone unreliable, anyone with a poor reputation or who isn't capable of doing the job.

Oh the irony

The 'Courier Guru' is finally unmasked, lol :)

You are not very intelligent if you struggled with that one

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You are not very intelligent if you struggled with that one

+1

Do you really think CE is that bothered about what people say about him, he seems to be doing pretty well and when he sells his business for a pretty penny in 10-20 years I think he will have the last laugh, Ok I dont agree with some of his rates, but when you hear of the horror stories on here about people owing thousands and yet CE gets a worse name than them, I think the digs at CE are a mixture, of boredom and jealousy plus maybee the odd thought of why didnt I do something like he does, I'm not standing up for him but he does what he does, why not focus on your own business, i will say this again, these threads are getting pretty boring, and please don't bother sending me any private messages asking me if I have cracked up, i'm fine.

Hi AJM,

It is certainly not jealousy on my part.

For me it's the fact that his business practices are pretty much a hairs breadth from crossing into some rather dodgy territory.

As for those who rip people off for thousands, I am just glad that they aren't as diligent about never quite fully crossing the line as it makes them easier to catch/get shut down.

Like I said before, I just want to make sure that anyone new to this business doesn't get the impression that CE's way of doing business and the rates he wants to pay are "the norm" in this industry.

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Hi AJM,

It is certainly not jealousy on my part.

For me it's the fact that his business practices are pretty much a hairs breadth from crossing into some rather dodgy territory.

As for those who rip people off for thousands, I am just glad that they aren't as diligent about never quite fully crossing the line as it makes them easier to catch/get shut down.

Like I said before, I just want to make sure that anyone new to this business doesn't get the impression that CE's way of doing business and the rates he wants to pay are "the norm" in this industry.

There are lots of courier companies out there that pay a lot less, CE is up front about his prices and people get paid, I know of at least ten other companies that pay less than CE, people new to this business should do there HOMEWORK and decide for themselves

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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Nottingham & Derby Couriers said:

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Courier Expert said:

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Here are a couple oif examples of retail jobs today:

Collection Postcode: CV6 5QG Delivery Postcode: CV37 7AQ Distance: 22 miles

Collection Postcode: B2 4JD Delivery Postcode: WV14 8NW Distance: 15 miles

We are currently working with mtvan on a way of classifying jobs differently. Just so we can get this right, at what point does a job start to be considered as a 'proper' courier job?

What's wrong with these short distance jobs. All you need to do is apply your minimum charge and that's it covered. Decent rate, minimal mileage and minimal time.

Somehow I do not think he wants to pay £40 plus for a 20 mile job! That's the whole point

We did a 2 mile job the other day. Minimum charge for the Luton Tail Lift is £45. This is across the board and is for Retail and trade users. It's a take it or leave it option.

I'd have thought at least £50 minimum charge for a Luton, even if it went 100 yards!

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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I'd have thought at least £50 minimum charge for a Luton, even if it went 100 yards!

As you know Alan I don't do Sameday anymore but today got a call from an old acquaintance who had been told I had a luton tail lift offering me a run for today, all I was doing was watering the plants when he called so I said yes. Then to my astonishment he told me to invoice him £2 Plm! I have now told him to call me anytime he likes and he says that's the going rate for a luton taillift. So now guys if you need me I'm available 24/7 again for £2 Plm :-)

LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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I'd have thought at least £50 minimum charge for a Luton, even if it went 100 yards!

As you know Alan I don't do Sameday anymore but today got a call from an old acquaintance who had been told I had a luton tail lift offering me a run for today, all I was doing was watering the plants when he called so I said yes. Then to my astonishment he told me to invoice him £2 Plm! I have now told him to call me anytime he likes and he says that's the going rate for a luton taillift. So now guys if you need me I'm available 24/7 again for £2 Plm :-)

Make it £2.99 plm