British Petroleum

Take a look at the prices of fuel at BP garages compared to others including Shell, Total and Texaco.

If you dare buy their over-priced fuel take a look at what they charge for crisps/pop/ginsters etc.

Who do you think is paying for the fuel spill compensation in the states?

Now you mention it, I passed a couple the other day, that where about 4p a litre more expensive.

I guess they've got to cover the costs of Deep Horizon.

True. BP are making us pay for their mistakes. Something like 11 workers were also killed due to them contravening Health and Safety regulations. I never use BP stations now.

I admit to 'daring' buying BP fuel

We have found it's premium fuel gives a better MPG return. [certainly the engines run better] and if Fuel card prices are ok it is not a problem.

Yes the food and drinks are quite expensive but on par with most retail outlets. The M&S foodstuffs are certainly good!

I'm with RLT on this one, I only use premium fuel, more mpg, smoother running, bit more power.

I had an occasion last wednesday to do a delivery to two BP garages one just off the A1 near Borehamwood. The fuel price there was in excess of £1.42.. My second delivery was the BP garage Traffalgar Road Grenwich, Where the price was only £1.39. This is only 2p dearer than my local superstore(s) and 2p CHEEPER than a superstore (where ever little helps) in Leatherhead.

50 litrs in Greenwhich saved me £1.00 over Leatherhead. Thats a Pukka pie for Mr G. Leatherhead would have cost me £2.00 more than my local superstores(s) . Mr G would have had to go hungry without his pies should he have filled his tank here

I guess it pays to shop around ...

They certainly don't encourage me to "buy british"

BP now is about as British as Nissan is

Most of its share holders are American, more than half of its workers are American and most of its sales are in.............

America!

I won't buy any other fuel as I have said before other makes of fuel especially supermarket crap does not go as far, I'm paying £1.14 for fuel this week, with a full tank of BP I get 600 miles on average, with shell the best I got was 480 makes a difference!!

don't you mean £1.41

I must admit I try to use BP, I get higher MPG and nectar points as well.

No! Shell this week is £1.13 and one BP card is 1.15 and the other is £1.14 plus VAT

He means without the vat Mr G!

I go along with Mr Springers findings I have never measured the distance on the two types of fuel however it might be an interesting observation to tell you about my N reg Jeep it does not run well on supermarket petrol it pinks and runs unevenly . This is a petrol engine that is known to run in most parts of the world on all sorts!

That's a first, one that runs on liquorice !

Talking of vat, can i reclaim the tax paid on a hot pie from a chip shop?

I believe VAT is now charged on hot chickens sold by Morrisons, so the same should apply to a chippie I suppose, but have you ever seen or heard of a chippie giving VAT receipts?

Moray, hot food take-aways have been charging vat since the eighties ...many times i have asked for my pies to be served cold to "save" on the vat.

Unfortunately the response from vendors has been "lukewarm".

As far as I know the fuel in one area (the stuff at Shell, BP, Tesco etc) tends to all come out of the same refinery, probably on the same tanker.

Most fuels do come from the same refinery, its the additives that are put in is the difference, some brands dont have any & some do.

Cleaning agents added after.

Mr G Courier Services said:

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Moray, hot food take-aways have been charging vat since the eighties ...many times i have asked for my pies to be served cold to "save" on the vat.

Unfortunately the response from vendors has been "lukewarm".

Maybe so but Morrisons had the sign up about a month ago in Fort William, maybe it takes that long for such info to reach up there...

We find if the driver runs steady at around 55 - 60 in our LWB Transits we get good fuel MPG.

When a new chap started and was getting everywhere like a nutcase the fuel cost climbed rapidly.

Now we have no more nutcase!

I find it very difficult to grasp the concept of driving on the motoways at 55 to 60 im no speed freak but I drive at 75 and everybody still overtakes me . I see couriers driving in the left hand lane at a snail pace and Im in disbelief !!!!!!!!! if they are doing it to save money I wonder why they just dont get job The other issue in many cases is the fact the customers is paying top wack and the job has been subbed down 4 tiers making the end users full rate high speed urgent job actuylly being done by a cash strapped plodder and this is very very bad indeed . I have known of end users finding out about these shannanigans . !!! Nobody has the right to expect a driver to risk his life but running urgent jobs over long distances at 20 MPH below the speed limit is bad service !!!!

I always used to find when i was on the road years ago that another van would fly past me at 90 and then 5 miles down the road i am right behind them again, They would of course shoot off again and another 5 miles down the line i would still catch up. You usually find that the slow couriers are hourly paid drivers trying to spin the job out to earn more.

We quote realistic delivery times and 99.9% of the time these are achieved and the other .1% is down to traffic delays etc.

or maybe they're supplementing their income by doing something else while they drive....licking envelopes for example

Anyway, all this talk of which fuel is best?....the fact that there are so many opinions on so many forums tells me it makes little to no difference whatsoever. Red...thats the cheapest!!!!!

The type the travelling fraternity use is cheaper still (allegedly)

what cyphoned?...yes i heard that

There are ways of avoiding rising fuel costs

That picture looks very much like a courier I know

Nottingham & Derby Couriers said:

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We find if the driver runs steady at around 55 - 60 in our LWB Transits we get good fuel MPG.

When a new chap started and was getting everywhere like a nutcase the fuel cost climbed rapidly.

Now we have no more nutcase!

I find this too. If I'm not in a hurry I cruise my Transit at 55mph max and there's a really noticeable improvement in mpg.

Just after I got my van it went up on a ramp, and we discovered a screw sticking out of the fuel tank. Some git was presumably draining off a little bit of fuel, not enough for the previous owner to notice, blocking the hole with the screw, then coming back the next day for more. It doesn't leak so the screw's still there!

What a brilliant idea...lol

CAMVAN said:

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Just after I got my van it went up on a ramp, and we discovered a screw sticking out of the fuel tank. Some git was presumably draining off a little bit of fuel, not enough for the previous owner to notice, blocking the hole with the screw, then coming back the next day for more. It doesn't leak so the screw's still there!

Is it a cross head or normal and where do you park again?

lol....mind the screwdriver don't slip...don't want any sparks

its diesel so it won't ignite, you'll be ok

doh..of course it is..silly me...i'll be ok with me fag then

yea but don't let the diesel drip on it as it will put it out and taste 'orrid

It seems like you know far too much about this. Have you discovered the perfect answer to the much maligned fuel increases and 3p tax hike in Jan postponed twice already?

Yes I have the perfect answer to rising fuel costs, have had my van converted to nuclear power, wont need to top up until the year 2763, I believe it's during January some time. Actually have spent time as an engineer on board a ship where I kept a bucket of sand underneath a leaking fuel transfer pipe cos it were handy, too handy as it were where I threw my ciggie buts while sitting watching for engine movement requirements from the wheelhouse. HTH

Nuclear power?.....far too expensive to be considered as an alternative source of fuel as it needs so much upfront money to get it off the ground. The real alternative is cheap and plentiful....coal

Steam power is the answer

or for the more eco friendly

agree with everything Barnsley Shipping stated. Spot on about service customer expects too! Those who are doubtful about superiority of premium fuel should maybe conduct a thorough test. As said before We have better economy but foremost the engines definitely perform and run better.

surely this is all part of the job? getting the cargo to the right place within the specified time scale, if you have bags of time then you can afford to earn more money by being fuel efficient, if you have to get it there ASAP then boot down,= fuel consumption up= profit margin down, let alone the risk to life and limb and licence

Filled up today shell £136.9 been past a few bp stations £141.9

moray couriers said:

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I believe VAT is now charged on hot chickens sold by Morrisons, so the same should apply to a chippie I suppose, but have you ever seen or heard of a chippie giving VAT receipts?

Yes in Ullupool

Long way to go to save 17p on a quid bag o chips, even from here

Interesting topic, yes we all bend the rules a little when what we are delivering is urgent, eg the part for delivery to the caterham f1 team that are flying out to the singapore GP that same day, court documents etc etc, but when its a tonne of chilled bean sprouts (sorry Mr G, mentioned foods again) "that we need before 5pm" then I will ask the drivers to back it off a bit, 60mph is a happy medium, 50mph on a motorway will upset all our bigger trucking buddies. To be honest I would rather pay a driver an extra hours pay and get him (or her) back safely than burn a load more fuel and put more tax money in the governments coffers.

Work it out - in the "good old days" before big brother was watching us sitting at 80 - 90mph on the motorway was the norm but you only averaged 50mph, weve all done it thrashed down the A1 over taking everything only to arrive at a roundabout to have mr norbert dingle dangle back behind you - the one you passed 20mins ago. Speaking of fuel... Cant say I have noticed the difference in performance or mpg between the big names, shell and BP etc but I do think that supermarket fuel is inferior (maybe just me)

Just passed a BP serve station on the M6 north bound near the lakes £149.9 per litre! Think i will be that one a wide berth.

I usually get 48-54 out of the 1.7 Di combo driven at around the legally permitted speeds (no honestly, its difficult for me to speed in a van/car because of the angle of my ankle prosthesis I would need to move the seat forward to floor it.)

So last Monday I had a 1pm collection out of Bristol to go to Edinburgh but couldnt be delivered until 9am the following day so I drove up at 60mph all the way, anticipated braking etc etc and returned 62mpg, very boring, but less stressful wishing people outta the way

Using Shell fuel

BP fuel card and the Nectar card(points) doesn't go together... Anyone had the experience?

BP diesel in Rivington services on the M61 was £156.9p per litre. Couldn't believe my eyes!

I hope you didnt buy any then RGM... For those that are running low on the M61 junction 6, next to the Rebox stadium there is a 24hrs Tesco. Have had to call in few times over the years..

£1.56.9 that is silly money, thing is you always see plenty of people filling up on the services.

MK Bikes said:

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That picture looks very much like a courier I know

Dont be cheeky..

£1.36.9 today Sainsburys in Nairn, cheapest I have seen around this neck of the woods for awhile so I drove around the carpark for 200 mile so I could then fill the tank.

No, Sexi, I stopped there before Christmas. I had this norovirus and puked up in the car park!

Gas Motorcycle Couriers said:

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MK Bikes said:

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That picture looks very much like a courier I know

Dont be cheeky..

Wasn't you, I've pm'd you his FB page (won't post it here as it would be wrong as he's not a member)

Get a bp fuel card, i did and i only pay £1.17 per litre, beat that supermarkets

Sainsburys did. £1.36.9 less VAT is £1.14

Ah yes but mine is before removing vat so after taking off vat its even cheaper

So what you are saying is you pay, £1.17 & thats before vat is taken off if that is what you are trying to say then I dont believe a word of it, if I have got it wrong then I apologise

Agree with you AJM. That price must be after vat..

£0.975p per litre must get me one of them bp cards today..

I want two and a three thousand gallon storage tank

Rays (Mr. Moray )about to start a fuel shortage

At 97.5p per litre + VAT I would just be one in a very long queue