To all the blinkered among you re eBay tat.

Just won a job off Anyvan load and deliver London 194 miles wait and return £533 :-) Now tell me it don't pay.

How many days will you have to wait down there? LOL ;)

Hope it was properly described and they are not expecting an Artic with a Mounty.

Have you been paid anything in advance Les? They'll agree to any price if they don't intend paying!

8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Can you save me some olives, love them with a tin of beer!

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Can you save me some olives, love them with a tin of beer!

Get yourself to Aldi.

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Good on you - we're all jealous...

Sounds good but depends on how long you have to wait for return?

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

How did they pay?

So whats the secret then Les?

If there normally charged a grand why did you go in so low? Bet you could have got £850+

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Yeah. Will they fit in a small van?

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

How did they pay?

Straight into my business account, why?

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Yeah. Will they fit in a small van?

Luton tail lift I'm afraid Bob

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If there normally charged a grand why did you go in so low? Bet you could have got £850+

I didn't know untill I collected them today, the last one was a wedding at St. Paul's cathedral £1089. But hey ho under 400 miles round trip £533 also squeezed 4 eBay tat deliveries to do when I'm down there +£200 and probably more by tHe time I get up in the morning as I have just put 50 bids in for work round London instead of sitting on my arse waiting round to collect the olive trees.

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Sounds good but depends on how long you have to wait for return?

Drop off 2 pm collect 10 pm Giving me loads of time to earn loss of pennies :-)

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Good on you - we're all jealous...

Are you just acting the prick or are you like that all the time?

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So whats the secret then Les?

Hard graft :-)

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How many days will you have to wait down there? LOL ;)

8hours Alan, but I have already got 5 other jobs in and around London :-)

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Hope it was properly described and they are not expecting an Artic with a Mounty.

Typical thing an idiot would say.

And this is on anyvan or Shiply?

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And this is on anyvan or Shiply?

This particular job is off Anyvan, just got a house move off Shiply from where I live (800yards away ) to Cornwall £1100

The two jobs you describe are in fact not low cost eBay type jobs but sameday & removal

Good luck to you Les, but from your place to Cornwall, all that humping and lifting [you said house move] I would be looking for at least £2k for that!

I would quote alot more than £2k though, as no way on earth would I get involved in that!

Each to their own :)

Humping? The only humping I do at my age Alan is once a week with the wife, there will be three at least on that job and before anyone mentions cost of labour don't forget I will have a van load of ebay tat going back up north, I would expect £500 minimum.

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The two jobs you describe are in fact not low cost eBay type jobs but sameday & removal

And your point is Tony? If you read it again both jobs involve eBay tat and both jobs are off much maligned eBay tat sites, and my point is it is much more profitable using such sites than simply sticking to the norm doing just Sameday.

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The two jobs you describe are in fact not low cost eBay type jobs but sameday & removal

Also there is no way on earth you or anyone else could get a 194 mile £533 wait and return job of ANY of the usual exchanges.

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The two jobs you describe are in fact not low cost eBay type jobs but sameday & removal

Also there is no way on earth you or anyone else could get a 194 mile £533 wait and return job of ANY of the usual exchanges.

Maybe not of exchange sites, but I never have or seek to get work off them, own customers different scenario. :)

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The two jobs you describe are in fact not low cost eBay type jobs but sameday & removal

Also there is no way on earth you or anyone else could get a 194 mile £533 wait and return job of ANY of the usual exchanges.

Its not an exchange site thou its direct to the customer

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The two jobs you describe are in fact not low cost eBay type jobs but sameday & removal

And your point is Tony? If you read it again both jobs involve eBay tat and both jobs are off much maligned eBay tat sites, and my point is it is much more profitable using such sites than simply sticking to the norm doing just Sameday.

What I am pointing out is the sameday job facilitated the viability of the eBay jobs not the other way round as the title of the thread suggests. There's nothing wrong with these sites, its the few from both sides that are on them that's the problem.

The "London Boys" quote was much aligned in your post but if you think about it they'd have to quote on two separate jobs "go up & collect, go to London" "Collect in London, back up country return to London" thats assuming they weren't smart enough to sub it out "up country".

I'm not maligning the work you do or the sites you use just its not always as straight forward as you make out.

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Good on you - we're all jealous...

Are you just acting the prick or are you like that all the time?

Is that how you normally take a compliment?

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Good on you - we're all jealous...

Are you just acting the prick or are you like that all the time?

Is that how you normally take a compliment?

,Tony said ,What I am pointing out is the sameday job facilitated the viability of the eBay jobs not the other way round as the title of the thread suggests. There's nothing wrong with these sites, its the few from both sides that are on them that's the problem.

That's not exactly true as I already had 3/4 deliveries for London at my storage and I am trawling the sites all the time for extras to make a run up so you could say the plant delivery is a bonus .

The "London Boys" quote was much aligned in your post but if you think about it they'd have to quote on two separate jobs "go up & collect, go to London" "Collect in London, back up country return to London" thats assuming they weren't smart enough to sub it out "up country".

Yes but £1100? And is that the same London boys who sub out xlwb work on the main exchange for 75to85pplm? (You are right they would have subbed it as a backload paying£50)

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Good on you - we're all jealous...

Are you just acting the prick or are you like that all the time?

Is that how you normally take a compliment?

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Good on you - we're all jealous...

Are you just acting the prick or are you like that all the time?

Is that how you normally take a compliment?

No not at all, just I know you where being a sarcastic @@@@

Nicely done LWS, enjoy all the pennies

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

How did they pay?

Straight into my business account, why?

By credit card by any chance?

Ok, so you've scored a big one!

Good on you!

I still wouldn't waste my time on Shiply, anyvan etc.

I hope you managed to get enough extra work in between the delivery and return, because it sounds to me that you are being shafted somehow.

It's the old addage! If it sounds too good to be true!

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It's the old addage! If it sounds too good to be true!

I can't see how it sounded to good to be true, it was a normal wait & return, in my mind there was very little charged for the waiting but then Les said he made that up during the day, 10 years ago I used to run into London with between 7-10 drops taking earning £200-£300 for just one earning morning run into London taking no more than 3.5 hours , 10 hours work for £900 a week! sounds to good to be true? Yes of course it does but I did that 3 times week for nearly a year.

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

How did they pay?

Straight into my business account, why?

By credit card by any chance?

No bank transfer, why do you keep asking?

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Ok, so you've scored a big one!

Good on you!

I still wouldn't waste my time on Shiply, anyvan etc.

I hope you managed to get enough extra work in between the delivery and return, because it sounds to me that you are being shafted somehow.

It's the old addage! If it sounds too good to be true!

Are you a bit thick? Managed 6 jobs in between, had KFC for lunch and I'm going for a couple of shandys later, paid in cash for all my other jobs today, even managed to get the first 4 winners at Newmarket then went to mc Donald's for a coffee and a shit. You wouldn't waste your time on Shiply/Anyvan well I usually turn over £1000 to £1500 per week and have 5 holidays a year abroad, in Fact I may go to the cinema later.

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The two jobs you describe are in fact not low cost eBay type jobs but sameday & removal

Also there is no way on earth you or anyone else could get a 194 mile £533 wait and return job of ANY of the usual exchanges.

Its not an exchange site thou its direct to the customer

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The two jobs you describe are in fact not low cost eBay type jobs but sameday & removal

And your point is Tony? If you read it again both jobs involve eBay tat and both jobs are off much maligned eBay tat sites, and my point is it is much more profitable using such sites than simply sticking to the norm doing just Sameday.

What I am pointing out is the sameday job facilitated the viability of the eBay jobs not the other way round as the title of the thread suggests. There's nothing wrong with these sites, its the few from both sides that are on them that's the problem.

The "London Boys" quote was much aligned in your post but if you think about it they'd have to quote on two separate jobs "go up & collect, go to London" "Collect in London, back up country return to London" thats assuming they weren't smart enough to sub it out "up country".

And

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Good on you - we're all jealous...

Are you just acting the prick or are you like that all the time?

Is that how you normally take a compliment?

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8 olive trees on van now for a function, return Sameday Saturday, money in my bank last night bob :-) Might have dropped on here as their usual London boy charges £1,000 for same job Anymore dickhead comments?

Good on you - we're all jealous...

Are you just acting the prick or are you like that all the time?

Is that how you normally take a compliment?

I do apologise :-)

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Just won a job off Anyvan load and deliver London 194 miles wait and return £533 :-) Now tell me it don't pay.

£533 + or inc vat

Saturday what no papers?

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Saturday what no papers?

Not done the papers for about 8 months, I watch football again :-)

As long as Les is happy. Sounds a good life to me.

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Just won a job off Anyvan load and deliver London 194 miles wait and return £533 :-) Now tell me it don't pay.

£533 + or inc vat

£533 no vat, de registered after they said I owed £10k, turned out I owed them £338 :-)

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£533 + or inc vat

£533 no vat, de registered after they said I owed £10k, turned out I owed them £338 :-)

Thats another reason on why no to become VAT registered, dont like VAT stazi... sorry to change the subject.. but I say good on ya, if your happy making money then long may it continue...

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Saturday what no papers?

Not done the papers for about 8 months, I watch football again :-)

Xpress went bust didnt it?

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£533 + or inc vat

£533 no vat, de registered after they said I owed £10k, turned out I owed them £338 :-)

Thats another reason on why no to become VAT registered, dont like VAT stazi... sorry to change the subject.. but I say good on ya, if your happy making money then long may it continue...

Not the dreaded VAT debate again! Whatever ones's thoughts are, it is not a choice if your turnover is above £79k per year.

Just over £6k a month.

I imagine most one man bands must surely be approaching that?

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Saturday what no papers?

Not done the papers for about 8 months, I watch football again :-)

Xpress went bust didnt it?

Yes but he paid all the regulars and shit on quite a few others apparently a load of drivers he had in at dhl. then started a new co straight away and paid every 2 weeks.

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£533 + or inc vat

£533 no vat, de registered after they said I owed £10k, turned out I owed them £338 :-)

Thats another reason on why no to become VAT registered, dont like VAT stazi... sorry to change the subject.. but I say good on ya, if your happy making money then long may it continue...

Not the dreaded VAT debate again! Whatever ones's thoughts are, it is not a choice if your turnover is above £79k per year.

Just over £6k a month.

I imagine most one man bands must surely be approaching that?

Wow that much ;-)

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

Just over £6k a month.

I imagine most one man bands must surely be approaching that?

I wish

P.S. - Can you tell me what planet you live on, Alan, because I'd like to visit it someday.

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RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

Just over £6k a month.

I imagine most one man bands must surely be approaching that?

I wish

P.S. - Can you tell me what planet you live on, Alan, because I'd like to visit it someday.

Well maybe I was a tad over thinking then, I have always had my own customer base since day 1, so have never been a sub contractor.
My apologies

Anyway, surely with what one can re-claim off fuel, new van and other expenditure, even if I was below that threshold I would register.

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Not the dreaded VAT debate again! Whatever ones's thoughts are, it is not a choice if your turnover is above £79k per year.

Just over £6k a month.

I imagine most one man bands must surely be approaching that?

Yes its close Alan... and Like you I also have my own customer base, and never really classed myself as a subbie, just someone helping out until fully established, the way things are going and if the current work with 1 client doubles and trebles then I have no choice but to..

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RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

Not the dreaded VAT debate again! Whatever ones's thoughts are, it is not a choice if your turnover is above £79k per year.

Just over £6k a month.

I imagine most one man bands must surely be approaching that?

Yes its close Alan... and Like you I also have my own customer base, and never really classed myself as a subbie, just someone helping out until fully established, the way things are going and if the current work with 1 client doubles and trebles then I have no choice but to..

It is not a bad thing Gary! it is hardly onerous being a Tax collector for the government, but you will be able to claim lots back!

Cant see why one wouldn't register for VAT, the benefits outweigh the negs, unless they dealing with members of public / eBay who will not necessarily want to pay vat.

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Cant see why one wouldn't register for VAT, the benefits outweigh the negs, unless they dealing with members of public / eBay who will not necessarily want to pay vat.

I agree, some say they wont be a tax collector for the government then moan about the price of fuel. Yet for the sake of some admin and self control with your money your fuel price per litre will be £1.16 instead of £1.40. Surely thats worth it isnt it?

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Cant see why one wouldn't register for VAT, the benefits outweigh the negs, unless they dealing with members of public / eBay who will not necessarily want to pay vat.

Most of the work (but not all) seems to be from members of the public who think that if you are not VAT registered then they are not paying for the VAT on your costs, but of course they are - unless you are absorbing it all in lower margins.

Claiming the VAT back on fuel is worth around £200 a month per van to us, and the more switched on subbys who work on the flat rate scheme reckon that their benefit is more than that.

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I agree, some say they wont be a tax collector for the government then moan about the price of fuel. Yet for the sake of some admin and self control with your money your fuel price per litre will be £1.16 instead of £1.40. Surely thats worth it isnt it?

For one I dont want to be a tax collector and give the government money they dont deserve.. I dont moan about fuel price, as I charge my client enough to cover the return run + profit and be happy ;)

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Cant see why one wouldn't register for VAT, the benefits outweigh the negs, unless they dealing with members of public / eBay who will not necessarily want to pay vat.

I deal direct with companys big and small and believe me, when I give them a non VAT quote they are more than happy to continue rather than mess about and claim vat back.. Our biggest client nows Im not VAT registered and is happy with the price quoted, but did mention that we may have to become registered his tone changed this is a company who have profits of 289million.. If business's had a choice they would prefer non VAT Invoices for the messing around of claiming back.. its as simple as that. It seems to me those that are Vat registered are the ones who are losing out as you all seem to go on about claiming this and that back.. But...

There is another thread about VAT...

Takes all of ten minutes every quarter... Most profitable part of my year

I deal direct with companys big and small and believe me, when I give them a non VAT quote they are more than happy to continue rather than mess about and claim vat back.. Our biggest client nows Im not VAT registered and is happy with the price quoted, but did mention that we may have to become registered his tone changed this is a company who have profits of 289million.. If business's had a choice they would prefer non VAT Invoices for the messing around of claiming back.. its as simple as that. It seems to me those that are Vat registered are the ones who are losing out as you all seem to go on about claiming this and that back.. But...

Gas, you are not VAT registered. Fair enough, that's your choice.

But if this client of yours is VAT registered and is telling you that they would prefer that you weren't then the guy that's telling you this also, like yourself, does not understand VAT.

Until you understand how VAT works, how simple it really is and how quickly it can be taken care of! I am sorry to say that your opinion on the subject is irrelevant.

My above opinion is in no way suggesting that registering for VAT is for everyone.

For example:

Whilst I am a sole trader, self employed courier in my own right, I also work in partnership with another sole trader, self employed courier.

He is VAT registered, whilst I am not.

Here is the reason why, which should help to highlight the differences!

My associate has a vehicle which was purchased brand new and as such has VAT attached to the monthly repayments.

My associate purchases his fuel from his own reserves of cash in his business account. Which also have VAT attached.

If he requires any vehicle parts he purchases these from genuine trade outlets as he has spent the majority of his life a mechanic and has trade accounts with all the major suppliers. These purchases attract VAT.

Since he is a mechanic, he will do any such work himself! So no cost there. But! If he weren't then the service of mechanical fitting from a regular retailer would also attract VAT.

He doesn't take work from end users. Only from established companies (all of whom are VAT registered!)

So by being VAT registered, all of the above mentioned things cost him 20% less that the ticket price. Now who wouldn't want 20% of the ticket price of almost everything they need to buy for their business. Try bartering for that in PC World et al!

Also. Since the clients he has are all VAT registered the portion of each invoice he sends them which is VAT is offset against the VAT that the client has already charged to their customer, the end user, which is always greater that than the amount of VAT you have charged your client.

So in short. For my associate, it makes every bit of sense to be VAT registered. Indeed, it would be stupid for him not be registered.

In contrast, I personally am not VAT registered as for me it is not worth it, because of the following reasons.

1) My vehicle was purchased in full, privately. So there are no monthly payments and the sale did not attract VAT.

2) I have obtained fuel cards from the companies whom we work with. I just deduct the amount of fuel purchased on each card from the appropriate invoice. As such, since the fuel purchases appear as an expense on the accounts of the companies I work for, it would be impossible to claim the VAT back.

Quite simply put, I do not have enough expenses which attract VAT to make it worth it for me.

One caveat however is that, once I have built up certain value of cash reserve for myself for fuel, then I will jump right in to being VAT registered, because just like my associate, this will earn me at the very least £100 per month more.

And it all takes 90% less time than it took you to read this post!

Scott that is very well put and you have described me to a T, you must know me better than myself... Anyway I know I cannot avoid it that is a fact, and looking at it I may have to be on the VAT scheme soon, some will say Just do it and JUMP!, yes I can see the for's and against's, but in Hinde sight its the quartely book keeping that really puts me off, Im old fashioned and prefer to use a pen and paper rather than software systems, its all quite daunting and scary for someone who has never worked for himself only for others so first time for everything. Even though the client is not the busness owner he has now had a taste of the service provided and will probably not even bat an eyelid to the extra money added for Vat.. So safe for the time being.

Easy to do Gary even with quill and ink need any help give me a ring.

Some of the bigger companies wont deal with you if you are not VAT registered, we get a lot of work from the NHS and if we werent VAT registered then they wouldnt use us, when putting in tenders for work its one of the first questions we get asked.

£111.8 fuel next week or do i pay £138

On £111.80 I would prefer to pay £22.36, a total of £134.16

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Scott that is very well put and you have described me to a T, you must know me better than myself... Anyway I know I cannot avoid it that is a fact, and looking at it I may have to be on the VAT scheme soon, some will say Just do it and JUMP!, yes I can see the for's and against's, but in Hinde sight its the quartely book keeping that really puts me off, Im old fashioned and prefer to use a pen and paper rather than software systems, its all quite daunting and scary for someone who has never worked for himself only for others so first time for everything. Even though the client is not the busness owner he has now had a taste of the service provided and will probably not even bat an eyelid to the extra money added for Vat.. So safe for the time being.

When you are in the situation where you have to do it, I hope you spend a bit of time working out what your bottom line would have been over the 5 years before. I am sure that you will cry at the profits you unwittingly lost out on.

Peter is no where near the vat threshold yet being vat registered earns him £100 to £200 per month. I dread to think how much profit you've lost out on over the years.

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Most of the work (but not all) seems to be from members of the public who think that if you are not VAT registered then they are not paying for the VAT on your costs, but of course they are - unless you are absorbing it all in lower margins.

Claiming the VAT back on fuel is worth around £200 a month per van to us, and the more switched on subbys who work on the flat rate scheme reckon that their benefit is more than that.

£200 a month ? Don't you use your vans much do you? When I was smashing eBay runs out 6 days a week I was claiming back about £800 a month for one van.
But now I'm de registered I take a more relaxed outlook on work picking and choosing when and where usually doing just three runs a week.

We use a selection of different vehicles and have more vehicles than regular drivers - that way we can call in an occasional driver for one of the vans in the yard at short notice for an urgent job and we can also generally match the van to the job for efficient fuel usage. All vans cover between 55k miles and 70k miles per year but are not busy every day even though the regular drivers are. Fuel consumption varies from a genuine 28 mpg to 35 mpg. Hire & Reward any over 25 year old driver is around 1100, per van per year with 7 years of NCB.

The saving to be had from pairing the van to the job are not inconsiderable.

£800 Vat equates to £4k of diesel which at 110ppl would be 3636 litres or 799 gallons in a month (25 days) (you said 6 day weeks).

Even using a Luton at 20 mpg that would be 640 miles x 6 days a week = 3840 miles every week, doesn't leave much time for collection & delivery stops or re-fuelling or servicing - eek.

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We use a selection of different vehicles and have more vehicles than regular drivers - that way we can call in an occasional driver for one of the vans in the yard at short notice for an urgent job and we can also generally match the van to the job for efficient fuel usage. All vans cover between 55k miles and 70k miles per year but are not busy every day even though the regular drivers are. Fuel consumption varies from a genuine 28 mpg to 35 mpg. Hire & Reward any over 25 year old driver is around 1100, per van per year with 7 years of NCB.

The saving to be had from pairing the van to the job are not inconsiderable.

£800 Vat equates to £4k of diesel which at 110ppl would be 3636 litres or 799 gallons in a month (25 days) (you said 6 day weeks).

Even using a Luton at 20 mpg that would be 640 miles x 6 days a week = 3840 miles every week, doesn't leave much time for collection & delivery stops or re-fuelling or servicing - eek.

The big Saturday eBay runs averaged about 800 miles ;-) Biggest run was 1250 miles up to Aberdeen in the morning then down to oxford in the afternoon for the paper round round that night.
I think my busiest week was getting on for 5000 miles regular weeks between 3 to 4 k miles And I have been known to work 7days a week :-) The £800 monthly included vat on other things as well not just fuel ie a tyres, servicing, hotels etc etc etc.

And when do you sleep?

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And when do you sleep?

Only need about 3 hours a night or when my co driver is behind the wheel.

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And when do you sleep?

Only need about 3 hours a night or when my co driver is behind the wheel.

Same as the Great Margaret Thatcher then Les!

The great Mrs T

021 SAMEDAY said:

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We use a selection of different vehicles and have more vehicles than regular drivers - that way we can call in an occasional driver for one of the vans in the yard at short notice for an urgent job and we can also generally match the van to the job for efficient fuel usage. All vans cover between 55k miles and 70k miles per year but are not busy every day even though the regular drivers are. Fuel consumption varies from a genuine 28 mpg to 35 mpg. Hire & Reward any over 25 year old driver is around 1100, per van per year with 7 years of NCB.

Blimey, how have you managed to go 7 years without any claims?!

And were do you get the £1100 figure? My pants are being royally pulled down...

Been with the same Insurance Co since 1947 (in various different guises) - loyalty discount.